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Someone felt but never seen.
You will be surprised of what resides in your insides...


Had one of those long conversations today about the state of music with my intern, a young man who's in his early twenties. He brings up rap, which nowadays generally triggers an audible gag reflex on my part. It's not that I don't like rap as a genre, but I hate what it became. I don't know who's to blame for that, really. After all, it's no big surprise that in a racist society, the stereotypes generally win out over the small glimmers of truth that can be found in street poetry--even of the hardest and ugliest type. What bothers me is the pimping of the stereotyped black man (and woman) to the white public...theatre of the grotesque, a pastiche of everything that white America fears made palatable because it feeds the notion that we are justified in our separation from African American culture. I don't think that the misogynistic, racist drivel found in much of the modern day rap represents that culture any more than monster truck rallies, neo-Nazi wife beaters, and beer bellies represent most of the people who reside in the south. Now there may be some people who think that a nice pinkish-beige redhead from Texas is not qualified to even voice an opinion about this, but I claim my membership in a larger group--the human race-- as my right. It makes me sad to see the Steppin Fetchit routine being played out still after so many years...even when it's done with a bad-ass back beat bass in the background. Eminem is the new Al Jolsen...trotting around without the greasepaint on his face, but still singing "Mammy." There were some wonderful things going on in rap a few years ago. Anyone remember Arrested Development? Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprasy? Inclusive, beautiful and biting lyrics that represented the best that we could ALL be...that we ALL had voices built for harmony---not discord. Proof positive that women of all colors, shapes, and sizes were queens; that the strength and measure of a man came from somewhere other than the size of his dick/gun/stable. I miss that. I miss the hope of it, and the sheer joy I felt at the slight possibility that maybe things were getting better instead of worse. Shame on the music industry for perpetuating and profiteering from the myth of the evil black gangsta...and shame on us for letting them get away with it. Oh, and Snoop...if you wanna whip my white ass for taking you to task on this, brother....I'll be here. ; )
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From: [identity profile] buscemi.livejournal.com

This isn't really related...


...but why do so many rappers today have trouble staying with, or are oblivious to the drum beat? Ugh.

I'm partial to old school meself. I wonder what Public Enemy's up to. It still seems strange that Run DMC are born-again Christians now. (?!)

From: [identity profile] froglegs.livejournal.com

Re: This isn't really related...


I have a friend who cannot stand that! He always complains about it when I drive somewhere because the popular hip-hop music on my radio is all like that... it doesn't really bother me and is sometimes what I enjoy about the songs, but that is probably just me.

From: [identity profile] todfox.livejournal.com


I agree about rap -- in it's purest form, street poetry, it is really beautiful and I have heard some great rappers locally. But I miss a lot of the rap of the 80s that was so creative and inspired. Very little of what I hear today is like that.

From: [identity profile] froglegs.livejournal.com


It is interesting to me that you write about this now. I have recently begun an exodus into greater appreciation of hip-hop and rap music. I admit that I am pretty new at it all. I have a hip-hop loving brother who helped, then he moved away and I got hooked on some of the mainstream stuff, my fiancé attempts to continue the trend in a direction with more depth.

At one point in the past you could hear me blaring Snoop's Gin and Juice just because of the beat in the background and that fact that I could sing along. I probably still know all the words. I did grow out of him (mostly) at some point because of the crap he was spouting, but I have found that I am easily influenced by a song that is easy to sing.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post.
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com


You raise an interesting point about lyrics. There's always been a debate about whether language influences thought or thought influences language. Sort of the linguistic chicken/egg problem. I wonder, though, at the effect of so many kids mouthing along to these hateful chants...and how insidious the thoughts behind the catchy lyrics are. An example of what I mean: How many times can a teenage boy sing/speak along to lyrics that refer to women as bitches without eventually having that word filter into his cognitive processing of language. Will he only use the term when he's listening to music, or will he incorporate the word (and the thought behind it) into his everyday speech?

From: [identity profile] froglegs.livejournal.com

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He will incorporate the word into his everyday speech. Just like any other new word - we associate a meaning with it and it becomes part of our repertoire. We understand how to use the word in the appropriate context and comprehend the meaning of the word. That meaning can't be isolated just to music. I believe that the insidious meanings behind the catchy tune are having a defining effect on youth... but I keep listening anyway...

From: [identity profile] ernunnos.livejournal.com


I loved Arrested Development. About the only rap I've gotten into lately is the Ghost Dog soundtrack.
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com


That's a good soundtrack...although, I'm not too crazy about the movie--even if I am crazy about Forest Whittaker. Jarmusch has definitely done better work.

From: [identity profile] arch-carrier.livejournal.com


definitely agreed. it's important to remember though that groups like ultramagnetic mcs and de la soul were never really THAT popular; people listened more to coolio, snoop and ice cube than to digable planets or black sheep.

it's a shame.

i think you'd definitely like gang starr's older stuff (check out 'DWYCK') as well as the above. there's some more obscure stuff too... like eric b & rakim, nice & smooth, etc etc...

good taste in music all around, though.

*walks off whistling 'tennessee'*
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com


Digable Planets = magnificent example of the best rap ever! Thanks for reminding me of more of my old favorites. And you're right...most of these groups/artists were never THAT popular...but they were just popular enough to give me that "maybe this is the part where people get it" feeling. I'm still hopeful...we'll just have to see. : )

From: [identity profile] kytty.livejournal.com


My interest in Rap disintegrated with continuous Mtv exposure to the Beastie Boys. I really need to re-explore, though, because I am sure I would like much of it.
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com


MTV...don't even get me started about where that's gone. Porn for the preteen crowd. Yak.

From: [identity profile] kytty.livejournal.com


I agree :) Real World is the only part of Mtv that is worth watching. I don't buy cable so it isn't an issue for me anymore, anyway.

From: [identity profile] cathead9.livejournal.com


I always liked Gil Scott-Heron. He used to be on Saturday Night Live all the time in the 70s. (creak, creak) Sorry, that's my rocking chair...

From: [identity profile] talkshowhost.livejournal.com

Rap has become a joke.


Any industry that lauds an inbred ignorant moron like Eminem deserves nothing but scorn and derision on my part. Yet another reason I feel no shame in saying I PIRATE MP3S YOU BASTARDS.

Ahem. Anyway.

To add to your list of good rap acts, I would have to include Boogie Down Productions and Kool Moe Dee, who always had messages about positive personal growth and stressed the importance of education. Public Enemy was about social and racial consciousness. Even LL Cool J was more of a balladeer then. And you know, even some of the gangsta rap in the late 80's still had an air of truth to it. It was less about glorifying the image then it was about saying "Here. This is our life. This is the way it is. You don't like it, fuck you." But all of this recent rap is just getting worse and worse. I am horrified about a society that looks at someone like Eminem and says "yeah, he's talking it like it is! He's preaching the word!" Because I would not now, nor would I ever, want to be associated with Eminem, or as part of a society that finds his type of rap acceptable. There was maybe a novelty factor in his stuff to begin with, but that has quickly worn off into horror and sadness. How utterly depressing that they gave this choad an Emmy.

The thing I find even more depressing, however, is that there are other artists who have come out in support of Eminem. I mean, Hello? Elton John? Have you LISTENED to those lyrics? Why is it that only people like Tori Amos and Moby are willing to come out and say how horrifying someone like Eminem is? Disgusting.

Anyway, I'm done for now; I need to go bludgeon my wife to death with a frozen salmon and then beat my daughter for getting baby oil all over my ratty old jeans.

Okay, bad joke.
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com

Re: Rap has become a joke.


Ha! Love the lyrics! You know, I just thought last night after I posted this about a movie called CB4. I think I'll have to rent it again just to have a look at it in retrospect...it's probably more timely now than ever.

From: [identity profile] chaizzilla.livejournal.com


i'm so outside the envelope of this b/c i just have never really managed to like the sound of most rap.. hooked on melody i guess. i remember liking grandmaster flash but only hraing him a couple of times, and the old song "white lines", which is probably considered elevator music in the genre. on a gut level i detested the beastie boys but have had to capitulate to the brilliance of a wee little bit of their work (grr, i hate it when that happens). but then the pikachu-bitches mpeg got me hooked and i been goin around squeaking da bitches loveme coz they know that i can rock the projects! so the handhold for accessibility is there if i wanted to, but i've liked some dwight yoakam & a few other country songs too (had too during big country's brief foray into the genre..)
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com


I've always liked the Beastie Boys. Mostly because they had a great ear for samples, and they were the epitome of geek chic. They've never taken themselves too seriously, which makes that whole schtick a lot more palatable.

p.s. Dwight Yoakam is super cool, baby.

From: [identity profile] chaizzilla.livejournal.com


for the brief few years i felt anything remotely close to a biological clock ticking i remember one recurring fantasy about me (in some soft as butter from washin calico cotton dress) & dwight living in an old weathered grey cottage with a big huge porch up in the southern appalachians, me with like three little yoakums hanging off my boobies
you know, if you hadn't disabled anonymous posting..

From: [identity profile] llafontaine80.livejournal.com


Have you ever listened to anything by Lauryn Hill?
You might like her.
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From: [identity profile] catelin.livejournal.com

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Yes, I do like her...there are a lot of people I didn't mention. I loved the Fugees too. : )

From: [identity profile] nandan.livejournal.com

She's like a brick....house


Well I was going to write that rap, like the WWF, is part of the coarsening of our society. But then I remembered that classic song "push push in the bush", and decided I couldn't blame rap for everything. Not to mention "why don't we do it in the road".

But I agree, bitch and whore are in a whole other realm from the examples above. I don't buy the arguement, overused by rap artists, that you can change the meaning of a word like bitch or whore and make it your own. If you don't understand or won't recognize the traditional meaning of a word then you are simply ignorant. Case closed.
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